An all-female civilization that votes, dances, and grieves its dead. The men mate once, then die.

0:01 Pamala That's great. Okay. So fresh energy sitting up. Yay! Get the energy flowing. No, stop it. You're on your third already? you forgot. Lord. Okay. Okay. Well, don't power down during this.

0:04 Eva Tina.

0:12 Eva I forgot my third Celsius of the day. my gosh. I forgot. No, I haven't had it yet. That's what I'm saying. It's out of reach, so it's going to have to wait. Yeah.

0:23 Pamala okay. So banter, banter, banter. We are hysterical and funny and gorgeous and wonderful and lovely human beings and we are bantering and laughing. And now we're gonna be that's the end of the banter. Hi, hi Dina.

0:29 Eva Ugh. Love it.

0:37 Eva Dina, welcome!

0:40 Dina Hello. Hi. Thanks for having me.

0:43 Eva We're so happy to have you here today. Tell us what you know too much about, please.

0:50 Dina So I think I know an unhealthy amount about bees, particularly about bee colonies and how they structure their entire civilization and their life really, but a lot of a lot of similarities to how I structure my life, honestly.

1:07 Eva Amazing.

1:07 Pamala I don't yeah, I don't necessarily see your background as a farmhouse. So can you tell me how you got into the into B World?

1:16 Eva Yeah.

1:17 Dina So I It it's a funny story. So me as a person, I tend to really fixate on a topic if I find it really interesting. And a fun habit about me that I'm not ashamed to admit is that I have really poor sleep hygiene. I get to really late at night and I can't sleep and the way that I try to soothe myself opposed to like scrolling on TikTok or scrolling on Instagram or any social media is I try to read about something. and if it's, you know, boring enough it'll put me to sleep, it's the the down

1:32 Eva Hmm.

1:47 Eva Mm.

1:48 Dina is if I get really interested in it, I end up not sleeping and just read through the night about it. And that's exactly what happened to me with bees. I tried I tried to read about bees to put myself to sleep and I ended up, next thing I know it was 5 a.m. and I'm down a rabbit hole that I am still going down to this day.

1:57 Eva Amazing.

2:07 Pamala Yeah, I was gonna say so it has it so it stayed with you. What is it that what is it about bees and bee colonies that stayed with you?

2:16 Dina Well, I I think the f the the first interesting fact about bees or i it it started off with just like really cool homo superpowers, right? Like bees see in ultraviolet light. Like they have two stomachs, one that is for like digesting food and then one is entirely for nectar and like their anatomy is entirely they've evolved to have a certain anatomy to essentially live their life for one specific purpose. And like things like that are interesting. And then you learn about the

2:27 Eva Mmm.

2:44 Eva Mm.

2:46 Dina society of bees and not just like the science behind them. And it's an entirely female civilization. it is I it saying it's a matriarchy would be like an oversimplification of it, but it really is a a society that is entirely run, managed, and you know, powered by women. And so that to me right, exactly. And so if you

2:50 Eva Yeah.

3:07 Eva it sounds like the dream.

3:08 Pamala Yeah.

3:12 Dina when you start learning about that, it it you know, learning about like a quote unquote matriarchy matriarchal society about bees leads you down to a rabbit hole of like other animal civilizations that are about like in run by matriarchy, like matriarchal societies, and then you realize that wow, humans are actually the only species in the entire animal kingdom that are operated by a patriarchy. So yeah.

3:36 Eva Ugh, yeah. And we see how well that's working out.

3:37 Pamala Yeah. Yep. And now Yeah. It's been going great. so on the bee colony, like is there any certain like habits that what would you say is sort of like a phenomenon in how they co kind of coexist and co work together? Or or what's something that's also sort of like unhinged? So like what's the what's the extreme sides of the bee colony structure or what they're doing?

3:41 Dina Right, right.

4:06 Dina So where can I start with this? Because it is it is like I said, everything is run by women, right? Women are the providers, women are the the security, they're the guards, they're the ones that the protectors, right? women make there are there are

4:09 Pamala Yeah.

4:14 Eva Mm-hmm.

4:22 Eva Are there any male bees? What do they do with their days if there's no real jobs for them?

4:29 Dina The the male the jobs of the male bees is entirely just to mate with the queen. And after they mate with the queen, they die. That is literally their only job. there's also the the the funniest thing about like bee reproductive organisms or I there's a word for it. It's called haplo hang on, let me remember. It's haplo.

4:40 Eva Perfect.

4:57 Dina Can I like, give me one second? Let me remember this. I think it's haplodiploidy. It sounds like a fake name, but it's haplodiploidy. it is essentially all bees, like if you when bees lay an egg, the unfertilized, they can choose what sex they want the larva to be. An unfertilized, an unfertilized egg becomes a male bee, and a fertilized egg becomes a female bee. And

5:03 Eva Yeah.

5:25 Eva my gosh, the bee eugenics, I never knew.

5:25 Pamala Huh.

5:27 Dina Yes.

5:28 Pamala Wow.

5:29 Dina Yes, and so the the funny thing about that is essentially there's a a fun riddle that and without looking it up I'd have to like I I'd have to I I'd get it wrong. But essentially bees female bees only have once or male bees only have one set of chromosomes and female bees have just two sets of the same chromosome, right? So all bees come from a female bee, and a male bee will they basically all bees have a mother but no father.

5:47 Eva Mm-hmm.

5:59 Dina Right. So that is the the very like interesting part about like bees. right, and the the the just the choice of it all, I don't know, something about it is so so enlightening to just know that you know these these women somewhere are just making all their own choices and living by their own rules. It's it's really incredible to me. Right, exactly.

5:59 Eva Mmm.

6:01 Pamala Whoa.

6:05 Eva Ooh, so cool.

6:20 Eva Bee queens, ugh, and they're so efficient and the honey and the, I love it. What's the, yeah, what is one of the more surprising things that you found as you were learning more about these colonies?

6:24 Pamala Yeah. It's so integrated. Mm-hmm.

6:37 Dina So scientifically or like socially? Because there's a lot of interesting So I think I mean honey itself is probably one of like so bees bee colonies are like super organisms, right? Like they they can they feel and you know they operate like as a as one, they feel as one. bees are interconnected, one because they're partially all related, right? they all kind of come like one generation of bees will all come from one queen.

6:41 Eva Any of it. All of it. Yeah.

6:41 Pamala Both. Both. Yeah.

6:51 Eva Mm-hmm.

7:07 Dina and the i there's this thing called the waggle dance that bees do. And so let's say a bee like bee it's called a waggle dance. So if yes, if let's say a bee is living in a hive and they, you know, they go out, the foragers go out and they say that there are no flowers, there's not enough resources here to sustain us, okay? they have these scout bees who will fly and try to find other

7:07 Eva Yeah.

7:16 Eva The what now? Okay. Tell us more, please.

7:31 Eva Hmm.

7:32 Pamala Okay.

7:37 Dina other sources, other resources, like other flowers, other fields, other nectar. And they'll come back and they will do, and inside of bees, beehives are dark, right? There's no light because wax is like very difficult to penetrate light through. So inside of the inside of the beehive, this bee will do what's called a waggle dance. And they will they will twist their wings and they'll turn around and it is a way to communicate the direction of where that new resource is by

7:48 Pamala Yeah.

7:50 Eva Mm.

7:51 Pamala Dense.

8:07 Dina How long they do this waggle dance determines the distance, the direction that they're flapping their wings, and what like orientation they have in their body is the way that they need to fly. And all of the bees will do this waggle dance. Watch this one bee do this waggle dance in the dark, and then they automatically know where the new resource is, and that's when they start their swarm. And they just go.

8:26 Eva and they just go and get it. What the what? So fascinating.

8:29 Dina It is it is nuts. And it's also because there's so many bees, right, inside of this hive. It's the let's say, imagine there's a circle. These are all the bees, and this is the bee doing the waggle dance. These bees will then join in and do the waggle dance, and then the direction just permeates through the hive. It's it's incredible. It is so incredible.

8:38 Eva Mm-hmm.

8:45 Eva and it ripples. I love it.

8:45 Pamala Just like ripples out, yeah. my god. Can someone come do can someone come do a waggle dance for the my direction in life, please? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

8:54 Eva Yeah, right? Everything. I need a waggle dance daily. man.

8:54 Dina For my career, right?

9:04 Pamala Wow, that's so fascinating. And is there anything that you've learned from like bee colonies that you've applied to life? Or has it given you a different I mean, I obviously we can get into the, you know, the mirror the opposed the black mirror of patriarchy versus bee colonies, but is there anything that's that you've applied in your own individual life or you've been sort of paying attention to more?

9:21 Eva Yeah.

9:31 Dina So this is gonna sound very funny. or at least I hope it doesn't so make me sound like a horrible person. But there is something that bees do. everything that bees do is for the support of the hive. It is not about like the self. It is not about like, you know, like individual bees surviving. Everything they do in their life is in support of one protecting the queen and maintaining the success of the hive.

9:46 Eva Mm.

9:57 Dina To the point of like if a beef knows that they're going to die or they know that they're ill, they will fly away from away from the hive and die on their own because they know that if their body rots in the hive, it'll bring on disease and other bees will die. Like everything they do. another part of right, it's something about there's something about like knowing that what you're doing is part of a greater, like the greater good. It's something bigger than yourself. There's something really poetic about that to me.

10:08 Eva Mm-hmm.

10:12 Eva They're so selfless.

10:22 Eva Mm-hmm. Yeah.

10:24 Pamala You know.

10:26 Dina And then on the more like I guess less unserious side, because like during the winter, obviously resources are very scarce and so during the winter, the female bees will literally drag male bees out of the hive because they again they don't contribute anything but mating during the the mating with the queen. and during the winter when you're trying to conserve resources, you're not exactly like laying new larva to like

10:46 Eva Mm-hmm.

10:50 Eva Right.

10:51 Dina take up those resources. and so they literally drag them out of the hive and kick them out to again maintain the success of the hive and keep the resources for the people that actually do the work. So there's something about that that I think I already do in my life, but it feels very comforting to know that this is like I think a biological need is like I, you know, try to

10:52 Pamala Right.

11:00 Eva Yeah.

11:15 Dina contribute to the greater good and like be selfless in the areas where I need to be selfless, but also like in times of need, like understand when I need to drag certain things out of my life to maintain the success of this hive. You know what I mean?

11:23 Eva Mm-hmm.

11:25 Pamala Mm.

11:27 Eva Yeah.

11:28 Pamala Yeah, fuck yeah. That's amazing.

11:30 Eva It's a good way to live. I mean, I think we should all take a little bit from these bees. It's good to be efficient in that way, you know?

11:36 Dina I agree. Yeah. There's there's a lot of folklore about bees as well, which I find very interesting and poetic. I mean like bees and a lot of cultural you know, a lot of cultural folklore, like Greek mythology, I think like African mythology about being the source of life. the there is a story,

11:39 Pamala Yeah.

11:43 Eva Like what?

11:56 Eva Mmm.

12:03 Dina in Greek mythology about the the god he's the god the he's the god of beekeepers. the whole idea was that all of there was another god that killed all of the bees out of his hive, right? and he was so depressed about it and so sad. And there was another god that granted him the told him that you have to

12:18 Eva Mm.

12:30 Dina sacrifice like four cows or four ox for this purpose and from the dead body of those carcasses rose a new colony of bees. And so like that's like the myth. And I might I hope I'm not like wildly messing that up, but the the s the that's one example in Greek mythology about bees literally being the source of life. I think in Egyptian like in Egyptian hieroglyphics bees were were

12:36 Eva Mm-hmm.

12:40 Eva yeah.

12:56 Dina often connected to the god of raw. like pharaohs were t told to be the keepers of bees. so they were entirely ingrained in like royal royalty. so everywhere throughout the world, bees were just considered this like godlike creature possessing human life. And honestly it's hard to n to not see that when you think about the thing that they make is everlasting, right? Like honey can never, never

13:00 Eva Mm.

13:08 Eva Mm.

13:08 Pamala Mm.

13:20 Eva Yeah.

13:23 Pamala Yeah.

13:26 Dina spoil. And th the science behind that is also super interesting. Honey can never go bad.

13:28 Eva Mm-hmm.

13:30 Pamala really?

13:33 Eva Yeah. Yep.

13:33 Pamala I didn't know that.

13:34 Dina Yeah, the it's it's because it's a combination of the sugar concentration. This all came from evolution, right? Like if if like a microorganism or a microbe lands somehow in honey, the honey, because of its high sugar concentration, draws all of the water out of that microbe through osmosis and immediately kills it. There's also like honey itself, like at you know, raw honey is produced at a pH level that is so acidic that like mo the majority of organisms that produce or contribute.

13:40 Eva Mm-hmm.

14:04 Dina to spoilage can't survive in it. And also, and also, this is crazy, bee enzymes. B enzymes have something called it's like a glucose oxidase. And it's it it it essentially is like a very mild hydrogen peroxide. So it fights off all like literally every level of bacteria.

14:07 Eva Mm.

14:16 Eva Yeah.

14:25 Eva Mm-hmm, interesting.

14:30 Eva Yeah, it's so crazy. And on the opposite end, you are forbidden to give a baby honey until they're over one year old because they can't, their body can't. It is a very, very oft repeated, absolutely no honey for any baby until they're over 12 months old because they're just not able to digest it properly. It's dangerous for them.

14:51 Dina Really?

14:58 Pamala Huh. I've never heard that. I do also I have I have I do know like go when you move to a new area or move move to a new city and you're you have a little bit of allergies or whatever, they're always like go get local local honey because that yeah, because that will help sort of get your system more immune to that area. Yeah, and acclimated. we actually I'm

15:00 Eva as I understand it. Yeah. Yeah.

15:01 Dina I've never.

15:13 Eva Local honey.

15:14 Dina Look at honey.

15:21 Eva Just acclimated, yeah.

15:26 Pamala I mean no, I know this happen I know there's bee colonies on rooftops all over New York. I've never actually seen one. Have you either one of you've experienced that?

15:30 Eva Mmm.

15:31 Dina Yeah.

15:35 Eva I, we eat East Village honey from Andrew's honey. is, there's some colony in my neighborhood. I don't know exactly where it is, but yeah, we pay a premium because it's so fun to think about being able to be that connected to something this compact.

15:51 Pamala Yeah. Yeah, we we we also get our honey from a guy on a folding table in East LA, which is like kind of amazing. But I've never actually gone to visit any bee colonies. Dina, have you been to bee colonies? Have you turned this into a real life adventure?

16:00 Eva Yeah.

16:00 Dina Yeah.

16:10 Eva Yeah.

16:10 Dina So, I tried, I did try. I think that, you know, in the last couple of years there's actually been sort of a crisis about the bee colonies are are heavily, heavily protected, right? Because, you know, there's just so many changes happening to the environment and it's becoming much more difficult to keep them alive. And so I think beekeepers are like some, you know, some sort of saviors. There's also a lot of like fear around bees, right? About getting stung and and you know.

16:21 Pamala Collapsing. Mm.

16:23 Eva Mm.

16:27 Pamala Yeah.

16:38 Eva Yeah.

16:40 Dina you know, it hurts obviously, but it's like their only protection a form of protection, right? and be

16:45 Eva Yeah. And is it true that bees die once they sting you? Is that true? Or is that a wives tale? That's not true.

16:52 Dina So it it is true that once a bee stings you, if the stinger gets caught so oftentimes they're e who are they stinging? They're sting humans or they're stinging larger mammals, right? and the the bee stinger is basically like a fish hook. So once it stings you, it like hooks inside. And really the only way to get that out is for them to separate themselves from the stinger. So if the bee separates themselves from the stinger, yes, they will die.

17:03 Eva Yep.

17:03 Pamala Mm.

17:20 Eva That's what kills them. Right, that's interesting. Everyone's okay.

17:22 Dina Yes, that's what kills them. It's not the act of stinging. So if they happen to like sting you and they can get out. So that's why if a bee does sting you Yeah, if the bee does sting you and it gets caught, if you take it off from yourself without having them separate them bot their body from their stinger, you could actually save that bee.

17:40 Eva I wanna go get stung by a bee so I can save it now. Yeah. Don't freak out. release, release the bee from your arm while you're screaming about how much it hurts.

17:42 Dina Ha ha

17:43 Pamala Public yeah, public service announcement right here, folks. Don't freak out, you know.

17:50 Dina Save the bees.

17:51 Pamala Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

17:58 Dina Another another fun fact, only female bees have stingers. Male bees don't have stingers.

18:06 Dina They they were literally evolved to do one one task, one job.

18:10 Eva They just have that one job. That's just that one job. And they're male bees, so I hope they do that job well.

18:19 Dina And if they don't, they they they get kick kicked out of the hive. So yeah.

18:23 Eva Yeah, I guess there is a lot of pressure. Performance.

18:23 Pamala Yeah. Yeah.

18:27 Dina Well not really. 'Cause if you know, I I think the there's you know the word drone behavior, that's where it comes from. It's from comes from bees. Like bee drones. Yeah, when you you say that drone behavior for a man typically is doing something like, you know, that doesn't really think. Right. it comes from male bees. Like they they only have

18:34 Eva Yeah, that's right.

18:40 Eva without thinking.

18:50 Dina pleasure sense and they only have like this this goal of of mating with the queen. And they literally line up and they make themselves really big and they dance and they're like, mate with me. and if they don't fulfill that task, they they get thrown out of the hive because, you know, natural order of things.

18:51 Eva That's pretty funny.

19:00 Eva Yeah. Yep.

19:07 Pamala Yeah.

19:09 Eva Yep.

19:09 Pamala my gosh. Are there any other stereotypes or things that people get wrong about bees?

19:18 Dina I think so actually I will I I will say I feel like a lot of the media around bees is is fairly accurate. And I think I have not seen any like derogatory media about bees, right? Like the movie The Bees is very it has a lot of like, you know, tongue in cheek, right? Yeah, bee positivity.

19:30 Eva Mm-hmm.

19:33 Pamala Hmm.

19:36 Pamala Okay.

19:38 Eva Positive be positivity.

19:40 Pamala How many times you how many times have you seen it?

19:43 Dina So I've actually only seen that movie once, but I've watched an unhealthy amount of bee documentaries, like nature documentaries about bees. There's actually one on Netflix currently, and it's heartbreaking because it shows the kind of the emotional side of bees. Like there are so many studies that bees are probably one of the most emotionally intelligent insects in the animal kingdom. you know, like

19:49 Eva Ooh. Mmm.

19:59 Eva Yeah.

20:04 Eva Wow.

20:07 Dina Oftentimes like bees don't live very long, right? Like worker bees probably live I wanna say two, three months max.

20:10 Eva Mm.

20:14 Eva Mm-hmm.

20:15 Dina You know, there are like twenty thousand species of bees, right? And the majority of the time when we talk about bee colonies, you're talking about honey bees. There are other bees that, you know, live on their own and they're solitary, and they live max about a year, right? But the worker bees, because they're putting their bodies under such strain every single day of their life, is probably like three to s you know, two to three months. and maybe a little bit longer in the winter because they're not working as much. and so

20:41 Eva Genuis.

20:42 Dina Right, right. A strenuous job. The the and they're working so closely with one another. Like I said, it's like a super organism organism, and they feel as one. Sometimes when a bee dies, they do die inside the hive. and to protect the hive, they have to take those bodies before they rot and start spreading disease and get them out of the hive. And they've they've put cameras inside of these hives and watched this process happen. And there are certain bees that will hold on to the dead bodies of their sister bees and try desperate.

20:49 Pamala Yeah.

21:12 Dina to not have them to save them being pulled out of the hive because like these bees are they're all related, right? They're all half sisters, if anything, and they develop relationships and this is like an an you know, an example that we've seen. And so it's like seeing that is one, it it gets me. I'm a Pisces, it's unfortunate. I'm very emotional. But like I I just think it's so it's so

21:13 Eva to save them.

21:17 Eva They love them. Yeah.

21:37 Dina I guess if there's any you talked about like a misconception that people have. I think in general people have misconceptions about animals, about how they don't feel and their brains aren't as as as developed. But like bees have millions and millions of neurons in their brain. Like they see light that we don't see. They see patterns in the world from ultraviolet light that we don't see. Like it these are really intricate intricate, you know i animals that

21:43 Eva Yeah.

21:55 Eva So cool.

22:05 Dina I think are just like I find that so fascinating. Every single thing about this just makes it that's why it's so easy to go down a rabbit hole in my opinion about bees, because there's so many things about it that you just really blow my mind. Like

22:16 Eva It could just go on forever, right? Yeah.

22:18 Pamala Yeah. Well and and speaking of rabbit holes, like w if I wanted to go down this rabbit hole, what would you suggest I see, search? What do you what should I do first? Yeah, where do we start?

22:28 Eva Where do we start? Yeah.

22:31 Dina So it's so funny because so I started on Wikipedia, right? And that I feel like a very great resource. but if you really

22:36 Eva Great. Yeah, we love Wikipedia. Yes.

22:39 Pamala Everyone please donate to Yeah, everyone please donate to Wikipedia. Please. Five dollars.

22:41 Dina Yes. Donate to Wikipedia, exactly. two seventy-five, five dollars, whatever you can, 'cause that's such a good great resource. But like from there, there's actually the Bee Conserv Conservancy. Yeah, it's the B Conservancy. they do multiple free webinars, they do virtual hive tours, they do science programs, particularly geared towards kids. But I I think it's just so interesting. There's also like the the National Wildlife Federation.

22:48 Eva Mm-hmm.

22:56 Eva Mm-hmm.

23:02 Eva cool.

23:07 Eva Sure, it's all right.

23:11 Dina has a an entire guide about how to study bee habitats, how to help bees in the environment in the environment in your save their their help you know supplement their diet, what you can do to your local flower beds to help promote you know the the the nectar production so that you can help bees survive. It's just so I I kinda went down that rabbit hole of like, wow, I'm really interested in this animal. Now how can I positively affect them in my life? and a big part is, you know, learn more about it by your local

23:33 Eva Yeah.

23:35 Pamala Yeah.

23:42 Eva Yeah.

23:46 Dina honey from your local beekeepers. and if you see a bee, let let her be. Like, yeah.

23:53 Eva Let her be, just let her be. We will link to some of these resources on our website too so everyone can configure it out for themselves. But those are some great suggestions, Tina.

24:00 Pamala Yeah.

24:05 Pamala Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much. Well, friends, this has been this is all for today's episode of You Know Too Much. thank you so much to Dina. Now we know way too much about beekeeping.

24:19 Eva And if you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave us a five star review, share it with someone who'd love it. And you can explore more episodes and behind the scenes content at you know too much dot media.

24:32 Pamala And I should have said bee colonies. I shouldn't should have said beekeeping. Might have to start out over. Yeah. Yeah. okay, friends. Well that's all for today's episode of You Know Too Much. thank you so much, Dina. And now we know way too much about bee colonies.

24:37 Eva Do it again, start over.

24:48 Eva If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave us a five star review and share it with someone who'd love it. You can explore more episodes and behind the scenes footage, content, et cetera, at youknowtoomuch.media.

25:01 Pamala Follow us wherever you get your podcast to keep the obsession going. Thank you, Dina. That was awesome. There was so yeah, there were so many things in that. I like I know B's, but like I guess I only know basic B stuff because that was incredible. Yeah, basic bitch B stuff.

25:08 Eva Thank you.

25:15 Eva Yeah, basic, basic bitch B stuff. Basic bitch B.

25:18 Dina You can learn. I I promise you, if you I promise you go down if you just like sit for an hour, give yourself an hour and not even that long, half an hour, just to learn about bees in general. There's so many it'll lead you to a link that'll lead you to another link, that'll lead you to another link. You know, bees hold elections. I don't think I I don't think I mentioned that. Bees have like politics and they hold elections. Yes. Yes. Okay, okay.

25:36 Pamala I wanna

25:36 Eva We love those rabbit holes.

25:40 Eva What? Huh?

25:41 Pamala Wait, what? Wait, hold now you have to just bring I need to know this now. Yeah, roll this back. Okay.

25:44 Eva Roll it back. Yeah.

25:47 Dina So there are like when they are looking for new resources, like they have scout bees, right? And scout bees will go and find different resource places. Like let's say you're like, I'm going to the east, I'm going to the west. They'll come back, they'll do their little waggle dance, and then the hive will vote on who which direction they want to go, and the whole hive goes. They literally have voting and and in terms of like when the way that we figure this out is like you observe two bees doing you know different waggle dances, right?

25:53 Eva Mm-hmm.

25:57 Pamala Right.

26:02 Pamala Right.

26:02 Eva Mm.

26:17 Dina Right, and then the bees will right, whichever one gets adopted is the one that they they they you know, the direction that they go in. But that's like that that like observing that in the wild, like that's such an you know, like a high like that should just the think that bees have elections, like bees that are literally voting. I know, and it's obviously probably not as

26:17 Eva Yeah.

26:18 Pamala Whichever one gets adopted.

26:23 Eva Mm.

26:36 Eva The beep beep.

26:36 Pamala Yeah.

26:41 Eva It's amazing. They're so, I don't know, intelligent doesn't really even scratch it. There's a lot of GPS, BPS jokes running through my head right now too.

26:53 Dina I I know, I I love I love going down the rabbit hole about this. I think

26:58 Eva So good.

26:59 Dina A while ago when I think this I probably started learning about this I wanna say about a year ago and I was like somebody's got to make like like a tongue in cheek cartoon about like almost a reality T V series about bees, like a worker bee. I think it would be so funny and there's like so many like so many like educational things you could do about it. And this is like an aside, but I went to film school and I had like the creator of Blues Clues come to speak to my class one time. and she was like blues clues was meant to

27:04 Eva Mm-hmm.

27:12 Eva Yes.

27:27 Eva Yeah.

27:29 Dina be like a funny like adult cartoon that was like educational for for adults and it ended up being a kids cartoon because and still tries to have these like funny adult moments like the whole thing with paprika being the baby of like salt and pepper, right? Like that's so I I was like this is this is a perfect this is perfect. This is a perfect topic to like do a children's cartoon about entirely about bee colonies.

27:33 Eva Yeah.

27:38 Eva funny. Mm-hmm.

27:42 Pamala Yeah.

27:50 Eva Yeah.

27:55 Pamala I can sort of see like a Muppets version. I can see like a Muppets version of this for sure. That would be so great. my gosh. we just lost your sound. Yeah. You s like swiped something. We heard you s swipe across your keyboard or something.

27:55 Eva I mean, I know you have a day job, but yes.

28:03 Eva love it. Ugh.

28:04 Dina Yeah. And in terms of politics also there are be in me still?

28:11 Eva Yeah, just something just happened when you.

28:18 Dina no. Still? Can you still hear me?

28:21 Eva Yeah, it's different. Yeah.

28:22 Pamala Yeah, we can still hear you, but it's just different. Yeah. I mean, it's all good. We're kind of in the plus plus bonus part. there you are. I kinda wanna see a documentary because I wanna see how they like filmed inside of a like a colony. Yeah. Like I think that's like I think that's fascinating. I think that's fascinating filmmaking, logistics, all of that kind of stuff.

28:25 Dina Interesting.

28:28 Eva Yeah, yeah, there and it's back, it's back, but.

28:28 Dina Okay, great. Great.

28:37 Eva Inside the Colony, yeah. Is it on Netflix right now? Yeah.

28:47 Dina So there's a there is there's a a documentary called Colony on Netflix and it's about it like follows like a beekeeper who's trying to like save a hive that is like internally collapsing because of like various reasons like the American food supply and and how it's like, you know, so that that's really interesting. But I think the most recent

28:53 Eva Mmm.

29:12 Pamala Fucked.

29:13 Eva Yeah.

29:16 Dina The most recent bee colony or the most recent movie, it's it's on Netflix. I I it's it's like a bee documentary, particular I can't remember the name of it. I can probably look it up and I'll send it to you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

29:26 Pamala Okay. We'll find it. Yeah, yeah, we'll find it. Yeah, that's that would be great if you wanna send it. We'll put it on the extras page. yeah, this is all fascinating. Thank you. I yeah.

29:29 Eva We'll find it. Yeah.

29:33 Eva Yeah, for sure. Dina, this was so, so great. Thank you and thank you listeners for leaving a review for our show wherever you get podcasts. And we're so excited to see you next week, everybody.

29:40 Dina I'm

29:44 Pamala Yeah.

29:50 Pamala Yeah, thank you. Bye.

29:56 Eva Alright.