They drove through the night to a stranger’s house with no money and knocked anyway.

0:00 Tanner There was only one that came to mind. Hi guys. Hi. Pamela, nice to meet you.

0:02 Eva Perfect. Hi Tanner. How are you?

0:03 Pamala So good. Hi.

0:03 Pamala Nice to meet you on Pamela. It's like Pamela. No, don't even stress. You're not the first nor the last. It's all good. we're just usually we're we just had to do a quick costume change because we had a prior a rescheduled one right prior to you. So we're jumping in. Two in a row. Two in a row. And I really needed to get the scrunchie into this episode. yeah.

0:09 Tanner Pamala, sorry. Pamala, nice to meet you.

0:13 Eva Ha ha ha

0:15 Tanner Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:25 Eva Talking about coffee.

0:26 Tanner Two in a row. Two in a row.

0:34 Tanner I am loving that scrum too. Yeah, yeah.

0:35 Eva Critical. Are you before we get into it, are you beaming in from Miami or are you in New York?

0:38 Pamala Absolutely critical.

0:44 Tanner I am beaming in from Miami, yes. I am I am down here. I'm down here. I just turned off the the AC so I it wouldn't be noisy and I will slowly roast by this window over the next minute. But it's fine, you know, we take one for the team.

0:46 Eva Amazing. Beautiful.

0:52 Pamala Thank you.

0:56 Eva no.

0:58 Pamala We'll get you in and out of here, no worries. So first things first, let's yeah, let's do it. First things first, let's make sure everything's on do not disturb. So your phone, your laptop. if you have a bunch of tabs open, that's also gonna sometimes slower your buffering or your visuals. Okay, your I see the head shaking, great. Thank you. I'm making sure I'm on do not disturb. yes I am, okay, good.

1:01 Eva Yes, exactly. Thank you.

1:24 Pamala And basically Tanner, that that's the way it's gonna go is we're gonna sort of just like welcome you and jump in.

1:24 Pamala And we'll get into the conversation. We'll talk to you somewhere between 10 to 25 minutes. The episodes are usually 15 to 20. so sometimes we go a little bit over, but that's usually how much we try to chat with somebody. And the the more niche, the more nerdy, the more crazy, the more fun it is for us and for you. And then you know, we'll start, we'll say, like, and that's the you know, as the conversation naturally has a kind of ending point, we'll be like, and this is a great wrap-up moment. Thank you so much.

1:24 Pamala We'll do a little outro script. Stay on. Say goodbye, but stay on. And then we're gonna have you do a couple of kind of like promo lines in an in a separate recording so that we can catch those at the end. Perfect. Eva do you have our outro script so that I don't actually mess this up this time?

2:17 Tanner Okay, cool. Sounds fun.

2:25 Eva yes. Sh where shall I how should I beam it to you? In this chat? Riverside? Yeah. Sorry, I think I put it

2:30 Pamala In the chat is great. Yeah, this chat's yeah, it's yeah.

2:38 Pamala Tanner, can you actually do a little bit of talking just so I can make sure we're at the right convers levels here?

2:39 Eva Fake slack class.

2:43 Tanner sure, sure, sure. I'm talking and I'm saying things, and I'm so excited for today. And how about that?

2:44 Eva Levels.

2:50 Eva yeah.

2:55 Eva You just went on mute.

2:57 Pamala I know, I was just messing with things here.

3:00 Tanner Eva, I love your setup. The mic, everything, it feels professed, ready to go. Ready to go.

3:03 Eva Thank you. It is profesh, but unfortunately for me, this is my kitchen table. So I like move all of this equipment in and out for every time we record. And this is a mic on a stand for like singing on stage like a singer. So it's like really great, but it's a mass off camera.

3:11 Tanner Okay. Yeah.

3:23 Tanner Okay.

3:30 Tanner Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Believe it.

3:33 Pamala Alright, looks like all of our levels are good. We're all on

3:37 Eva good.

3:40 Pamala Okay, perfect. Okay. Yay. Alright, everyone feeling good? Feeling loose?

3:50 Tanner F feeling good, feeling loose.

3:52 Pamala Feeling good. Great. my gosh. I am super excited about this. I cannot wait. Thank you, thank you, thank you, and welcome Tanner.

3:52 Eva yeah.

4:05 Tanner Hi what's going on guys?

4:09 Eva Well, Spice Girls, where do we start? I I mean

4:13 Tanner Spice girls Spice Girls. Where where where do we start? I appreciate the enthusiasm already. especially the scrunchie. Great. I've I've also come prepared. it is custom, yeah. I made I made this I made this one. and it was a it was a good seller. do you do you know my friend Madeline DeGangji?

4:23 Eva Yes. is that custom?

4:23 Pamala Yes Yes

4:41 Pamala Yeah.

4:42 Eva We sure do.

4:42 Tanner You do do yeah. Yes? Okay, great, great. I b I was having a conversation with Madeline once and it it was like right around the time everyone started wearing like, you know, like the death metal t shirts. And I remember like I got one and and she was like, God, everyone's just such posers with these shirts. Like nobody likes these bands. They're just wearing them 'cause they're cool. And I was like, she's totally right. I should make one for the Spice Girls. And so I just copied the formula and made one that I could feel proud of. So that's that.

4:53 Eva Mm-hmm.

5:10 Eva Ugh stunning.

5:12 Pamala So good. So Tanner, w so what what do you know too much about exactly?

5:12 Tanner Yeah, yeah.

5:18 Tanner I know I know way too much about the Spice Girls. and particularly the story that I know way too much about is the origin story, which I think is the most interesting part of their lore that a lot of people like don't know. I think a lot of people yeah, a lot of people just assume like manufactured pop band, they were putting the thing and the machine and then go, and it was just, you know, global domination because that was how it was planned.

5:33 Pamala I don't know anything about this.

5:48 Tanner And what is so cool, everyone is wrong. Everyone everyone is everyone is half wrong because because yes, they started out as inside of a manufacture group, but the coolest thing that happened was these girls hijacked this manufactured group and took it and left with it, and then that became what we now know as the Spice Girls, which is

5:50 Eva Is everyone wrong?

5:56 Eva Okay.

6:17 Eva How did that happen?

6:19 Tanner Happened like this. so these five girls existed. They were all in performing art schools, they did not know each other. And then one day an ad appeared in local English newspapers, which I have pulled up here, which I'll read to you. And the ad in the local papers said, wanted. R U 18 to 23. By the way, the R U is R period U period. I mean so 90s and cool.

6:44 Eva Yes ugh classic.

6:48 Tanner Are you 18 to 23 with the ability to sing, dance? Are you streetwise, outgoing, ambitious, and dedicated? And then it says something about a management team currently forming choreograph, singing, dancing, all-female pop act for record recording deal. Record recording deal is weird, they should have known there. but open audition. So, who comes to this audition? Hundreds of young women, including Mel B, Mel C, Victoria Adams, not yet Victoria Beckham, and

7:03 Eva Yeah. Yeah.

7:16 Eva Mm-hmm.

7:18 Tanner They they try out along with these hundreds of women. My favorite little note here is that Victoria Beckham, in her audition, brought the sheet music for Mine Hair from Cabaret, and that was her song to get into this cool pop act. Like that is the you can see it on YouTube. It is very real. So okay, so the three of them are there with all these other girls.

7:33 Pamala What?

7:36 Eva That's not real.

7:48 Tanner Jerry Hollywell, Ginger Spice, is away in Spain with her grandmother. She's half Spanish. And when she comes back, her mom has clipped out this little thing for her, and she's I thought you might be into this. She calls and says, Hey, are you still putting this girl group together? And they say, Yeah, we're down to the last 12. Come, come down. So she bypasses hundreds of girls, gets down there. like sweet move. Also, like

8:09 Pamala W yeah. What what? Nice cheat cheat code there.

8:10 Eva The nineties. Right.

8:17 Tanner if you know a little bit about them, Jerry is very charismatic, very persuasive. So it makes sense that like immediately she just gets in. So they got five girls. There's this one girl, Michelle, who's one of the five. Michelle is not working out. So Michelle gets kicked out. In comes Emma Button, we know as Baby Spice. And it's the five that we know now. So the girl sight when Michelle, like

8:24 Eva Of course.

8:40 Eva Wait, what happened to Michelle? Is she's just squandered in ubiquity? I mean

8:45 Tanner Yeah, I I actually think I saw like a sad YouTube about her, which, you know, it's a cool story. Like I was once a Spice Girl for a hot second, but you know, she's she's I'm sure she's doing fine, you know. So the girls say when Emma joins, they don't even know each other yet, but they said that they just felt something. Like they're like, there's there's a vibe here, we don't know what it is, but there's a vibe. So

8:57 Eva Sure. Yep. A quiet life.

9:12 Tanner The father and son management team, that's a dad, it's a it's a burb and herlinger, something like that. I don't know. But the the Bernie and herb and Bernie, whatever. These two guys, they have their five girls, right? They immediately move the girls into a small house in Maidenhead, which is the outside of London. It's two bedrooms and like a cupboard, they say. Jerry sleeps in the cupboard. It's like tiny as shit. They are rehearsing.

9:20 Eva Bernie and Herb.

9:41 Tanner Daily, they are just rehearsing, rehearsing vocals, dancing, choreography. They're with writers. At night, they're home, they're eating together, they're they're they're writing songs, they're cleaning up after each other, they're getting to know each other. And it's during this time that like they form the gang. Like they fall in love with each other, essentially. They're like they're they're sisters. They're like it just occurs during that time, like, you know, trial through fire.

9:58 Eva Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah.

10:05 Eva Yeah. That bonding is can't yeah.

10:06 Pamala Yeah.

10:08 Tanner So it it it was real. It was real. Also, like it's interesting, like the dad and son, they manufacture the the conditions, but the chemistry, you can't manufacture that, right? Like that has that's real.

10:11 Pamala Yeah.

10:19 Pamala Right.

10:21 Eva No, that magic is real, yeah.

10:24 Tanner So they're polishing up their acts, they start meeting with a couple label execs here and there, and and they have this showcase. And the showcase, this first showcase with label execs, is pivotal because it's at this showcase that Jerry realizes a couple things. One, that they have the power, that people are into them. They put all the hard work, their vibe. She she cites it as positivity is contagious, which becomes like a

10:24 Tanner Core like building brick of the Spice Girl philosophy, right? Like, all you need is positivity. Like, that is core. She recognizes that, and she's like, We've got a special sauce, and maybe we don't need these two random men who are we're already getting in fights with them. Like, the sec they're like, they're like, wait a second. Also, the father and son, Burb and Herbert later, they they

10:58 Pamala Yeah.

11:00 Eva Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

11:11 Eva Yeah yes.

11:18 Eva Yeah, yeah, yeah.

11:20 Tanner They want them all to dress the same, and that was like a point of contention where they were like, we don't want to all dress the same. We like the way we look, I like the way she looks. Like second core philosophy to the Spice Girls, as we all know, is the individuality thing, right? Baby, posh, boy, like that was that that was getting baked during that time, like in part of their ethos. So they're having problems, they know they got thing, and then the father and son.

11:24 Pamala Great.

11:28 Eva Yeah. Personalities.

11:34 Eva Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

11:35 Pamala Yeah.

11:49 Tanner No one signed a contract yet. The father and son, this is months down the road. They're they're just they're just girl by the way, they were they're borderline homeless. They were all living off the dole, which is their version of social security. They had no they were eating toast every night, right? They were just poor girls in a tiny house dancing under their like dance overlords. So no one No. It's it's all pr it's all pre it's all preparation. It's all preparation to do. So

11:52 Eva Love it.

12:00 Eva Yep. Mm-hmm.

12:00 Pamala Right.

12:09 Eva Are they doing gigs at this point, or is this all still in the lead up theoretically? Okay.

12:13 Pamala It's all prepped.

12:13 Pamala Okay.

12:19 Tanner There's no contract signed. And at some point, the father and son say, We're coming over tomorrow with the contracts for you guys. And then later on the day, you guys are gonna go drive to Sheffield. You have a meeting with a writer, you're gonna go move him. That night is where girl power actually comes into play in like this awesome way, which the girls sit down and they go, We're leaving these losers and we're gonna do our own thing. We we're the ones with the power. Like,

12:19 Tanner We're gonna do this. We that we don't owe them anything. We're the ones putting in all the work. So they packed up their little belongings into Jerry's car. They left in the middle of the night. They drove they drove to Sheffield to meet with this writer. They didn't even know who the guy where he lived. They looked in the phone book under every Elliot Kennedy in the phone book, called everyone, finally got the right one, went to his house, showed up at his doorstep, said, Hey, we have no money.

12:52 Eva Mm-hmm.

12:57 Eva Stop.

13:04 Pamala Yeah.

13:18 Tanner We just left our manager, but would you be willing to work with us? He goes, hey. And that day, one of the three songs they write with him, by the way, they write all their own songs, is yeah, a lot of people think that their songs were just written for them. No, no, no, no. They wrote they wrote everything. I mean, you can kind of tell what a song is unhinged as wannabe. It's like that is these girls. That is these girls. No, but one of the three songs they write that day is.

13:32 Eva Yeah.

13:33 Pamala Yeah.

13:39 Eva Yes, it's true. This is not a win winning formula.

13:48 Tanner Say you'll be there. Ever hear of it? Like the second giant single. They they write that day. And so from there, then it's like 1996. They they find a manager that now works for them. They get signed by Virgin Records. And the last little bit of like girl power that needed to happen before they get introduced into the world is Virgin is like the the spice girls are adamant, like wannabe is their lead single. They're like, this has to.

13:50 Eva Ja

13:50 Pamala What?

14:15 Eva Mm-hmm.

14:16 Tanner This has to be our lead single. And Virgin is like, absolutely not. That song is crazy. It'll be a B-side. we're not doing that. Say you'll be there, we'll be your song. That's it. End of discussion. And the girls were so adamant. They fought with the record company. They won. And Wannabe becomes, you know, it's like it's a song that best encapsulates their vibe. They were totally right. It went to number one in 37 countries, which is unheard of.

14:24 Eva It is crazy.

14:34 Eva Wow.

14:40 Eva Yeah.

14:40 Pamala Yeah.

14:45 Tanner As you well know, there's only 39 countries in the globe, so you know, almost all of them. and and yeah, and that was the start of Spice Mania as we know it. So it was something that was highly manufactured. their names? Their names were f from so bur Bernie and Herb Erlinger called the band Touch, which is oddly gross, I guess.

14:48 Eva Yeah.

14:50 Pamala Yeah.

14:56 Pamala Wha how'd they get their name?

14:56 Eva my god.

15:00 Eva Yeah.

15:00 Pamala Yeah. Like how they get spice girls. Was that already like determined by the the creeps or Yeah.

15:05 Eva Burn Bernie and Herb.

15:12 Eva That is weird. I don't like it. No like.

15:13 Pamala Yeah, gross.

15:15 Tanner And no and it the the Spice Girls is interesting because it was Jerry says she was in a workout class and she was like, I was in a workout class and all of a sudden I thought, Spice, like spice would be cool, we're all kind of different, like that's cool. And then so they called themselves Spice and like I think their name was Spice for a second, but the industry people kept calling them, those spice girls, those spice girls. And so that had like a better ring to it. So that's how Spice Girls came to be.

15:34 Eva Spice initially.

15:40 Eva I like it.

15:41 Pamala nice.

15:44 Eva More girl power co opting it. I love that. And then their their own personal like baby spice, scary spice, sporty was that manufactured by Virgin? Was that from them? How did that

15:47 Tanner Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

15:48 Pamala No.

15:55 Tanner That was from

15:55 Tanner That was from it was Smash Hits. So there's two like, or there were two big like pop music publications in the UK. There was Smash Hits and there was Top of the Pops. Top of the Pops was also like a big TV show. but I think it was Smash Hits magazine where they had a spread and it was called like the Spice Rack, and they were just talking about the five girls, and they're like, this one's sporty, she's sporty spice, because she's like this. And so that magazine gave them those names, and then those names just stuck, and they I mean, they very smartly.

16:09 Pamala Mm, mm-hmm. Yeah.

16:22 Eva Yeah.

16:22 Eva And they stuck.

16:28 Tanner from a marketing perspective, like turning your personality into a caricature that you're okay with and that you lean into just allowed everyone to go, I'm a baby spice, I'm a ginger, I'm you know what I mean? Like

16:28 Pamala Played into it.

16:41 Eva I'm scary, I'm sporty, brilliant.

16:43 Pamala Totally.

16:45 Tanner Like literally brilliant. Like that that hadn't been done before, you know, so smart.

16:49 Eva No. How did you become a spice maniac, Tanner?

16:54 Tanner I I I think, you know, like I think I was just I was in the right time, the world at the I mean the right place, the world, the right time, 1996. Yeah, I I I remember actually when I first heard Wannabe, I hated it. I thought like I was like I was at like this Brit pop club in San Francisco and it was all just like, you know, too cool for school, shoegazer music.

17:08 Eva Pre internet. Yeah.

17:24 Tanner And the Spice Girls came on because it you know fell under the Brit Pop umbrella, I guess. And I just remember being like, what the hell is this? But then there's a part of me that's like, like gay, fun, like joyous, like up absolutely. Yeah, no, I I think I like this. but that song was like just so it was just so

17:29 Eva Yep, yeah.

17:36 Eva What the hell is this? wait a minute.

17:38 Pamala Yeah.

17:49 Tanner It was just so like silly and all it was also funny because it was like 1996. We had just come out of this like like grunge, grunge adjacent, alt rock that just like dominated everything. Everything was so dark and like, my god, do you need your heroin? Yes, I do. And like it was just so heavy and negative. And the Spice Girls literally like are like kicking down a hotel door in their first video and being like, I'll tell you what I want. And you're just like, what is this? So

17:58 Eva Mm.

18:06 Eva Yeah.

18:13 Eva Yeah. Confetti.

18:14 Pamala Ha ha ha.

18:18 Eva Yeah.

18:18 Tanner I think like there was there was just something about it that was so joyful that I personally spark to and respond to. Like I like I like people who are unapologetically joyful.

18:25 Eva Yeah.

18:26 Pamala But how did you like how yeah, but how did you like get further into like the deep hole? Like, you know, you could be a fan, you could be like I like I know the music, I have the album, but I don't know as much as you know. How'd you get into that?

18:39 Tanner Yeah, I I think I am not like some exception to the rule. I I think that a lot of people and probably a lot of gay gay guys. May or or am I exceptions? I don't know. I do think like they had like all this like I a lot of my knowledge comes from like the videos that they would put out. You know what I mean? They talked about their lore and like what happened and this stuff and then I think like you're just in

19:01 Eva Are they gay icons? Are the Spice Girls gay icons? In the same way that like I think of Kylie or Yeah, it's different.

19:05 Tanner No, I think I think I think n I think it's different. I think I think of Spice Girls as actually more of like a like a monocultural moment. it's like a little bit different where like a Madonna or Kylie seems like very much more oddly gay specific, although whatever, straight people also like Madonna and Kylie. Like that that seems weird to me too, but but no, I I I view them more as like a a monocultural moment. However

19:08 Pamala Kylie, share.

19:19 Eva Yeah.

19:28 Eva Yeah.

19:28 Eva Definitely.

19:38 Tanner You put on never give up on the good times or you know, who do you think you are? Gay people are gonna twirl. So yeah. Yeah. So but yeah.

19:44 Eva Hello.

19:49 Eva There's so many surprising little pockets, I think, but are there for if you were to share some surprising tidbits, is there anything that somebody who already calls themselves a fan would be surprised by?

20:08 Tanner God, that's a good question. I think kind of like the roadmap to their to their success is surprising. What would be surprising? I don't know. There's like there's like later on like gossip about like certain members and their relationships with certain men that I find somewhat interesting, like

20:26 Eva Yeah.

20:36 Tanner Jerry Hollywell and Robbie Williams like dated for a little while and Robbie was convinced that she was the one like leaking their location to tabloid magazines because wherever they went, the the tabloids would show up. And so yeah, and so he stopped dating her for that reason. And I that might be something that that fans don't know, but yeah.

20:47 Eva What

20:47 Eva The the paparazzi was there?

20:56 Pamala my gosh.

20:56 Eva That tracks. That tracks. I think the biggest surprise is that they the the origin of their being is so oppositional to what I think of them that it really feels like it kind of affects everything I n everything I thought I knew about the Spice Girls was wrong, although I didn't know that I knew anything to begin with, but I had misconceptions.

21:00 Pamala So

21:22 Tanner Yeah. Yeah. I I Yeah, I think it's the coolest part of their story is that they they literally they hijacked someone else's project that concerned them and they're like, No, actually this is ours

21:31 Pamala So good.

21:35 Pamala 'Cause they knew Yeah, they knew that they were gonna get exploited. And that's usually that what the sad story usually ends up being and you hear it on like, you know, VH one behind the music, like twenty five years later how they were screwed, you know, so I think it's incredible that they got ahead of it.

21:39 Eva Yeah.

21:50 Eva Yeah.

21:51 Tanner For for sure. I mean, I feel like that's like so many bands, especially bands that are put together. I mean, another like proxy would be TLC, right? Like TLC was formed by Pebbles and Lafayce Records, Pebbles are manager, and they literally were formed, they had the worst one of the worst contracts in music history because they literally thought they were not going to succeed. They're like, We're not giving these girls shit. This is gonna be a one single thing and bye. And then they blew up and became one of the other biggest girls.

21:59 Eva Mm-hmm.

22:13 Eva Right.

22:20 Tanner girl groups you know globally. and so it's interesting how manufactured things can put something in motion, but the chemistry and the way the public reacts to that chemistry, also the conditions, like the conditions out of the world have to be right. Like, you know, no doubt released their album, their first album, which wasn't Tragic Kingdom, like in the middle of the grunge world, could not get played on MTV.

22:23 Eva Yeah.

22:37 Pamala Mm-hmm.

22:47 Tanner But then a couple years later, just a girl came out and the conditions were right and it was like, we are h we're here for this. Yeah.

22:53 Eva Magic. Yeah.

22:54 Pamala Yeah. Well and just talking about the you know, the idea of the manufacturing, I one of the things I remember about Spice Girls is yes, they were everywhere, but they also had a ton of products like everywhere, like all different, like from shirts to posters to games to like toys. It was like sort of everywhere. Is there anything d A, do you have a collection of things?

23:05 Eva Yeah.

23:17 Pamala B, is there still something out there that you never got your hands on that you would still want today?

23:22 Eva Ooh, good one.

23:25 Tanner okay, the answer is yes, I have I have relics. I have relics of that time. I have god, it's not wait, I'll show you one thing. By the way, this is like the purviest thing I could show you, and I I'm gonna say that I actually have not I have not opened this, which just gold star gay, but like I do love this so much. I mean, just a beautiful relic of the time. no, I have a

23:27 Pamala Mm-hmm.

23:46 Pamala A

23:52 Eva Stunning.

23:54 Tanner Like a tin box, it was like a like from when Spice Girl Spice World the movie came out, and I had it stuffed with pristine chupa choops. Remember, they like the lollipops, the lollipops are like a big thing. I have like a perfect set of like 10 Spice Girl lollipops that are like somewhere around, and that is like I I I no, I do want to have one on my deathbed, like that's how I want to go out, just with like a Spice Girl.

24:04 Pamala Yes, yes.

24:04 Eva Yes Yeah.

24:15 Eva Never to be licked.

24:20 Eva Yes. Final meal.

24:22 Tanner Like a fifty year old Spice Girl choop a choop, you know, just and taking my last breath. Yeah. It's fine. I've got nothing to worry about. So so and then is there anything that I would want my god, I do do eBay searches every now and again just to see, but it's like I've got the music, we've got the videos, it's like it's fine and I've got my own merch, so we're good. But yeah.

24:25 Eva Ooh, d maybe a little dusty. It's gonna be dusty. Yeah. Who cares? Yeah.

24:29 Pamala Mm-hmm.

24:29 Pamala Yeah, at that point. Okay.

24:42 Eva Yeah, of course.

24:46 Eva Yeah. Yeah. Perf

24:48 Pamala I just always loved those original, like kinda remember those old metal like lunchboxes? Like I always I remember they had like such a good one. And I was like obviously in college at this point, but I remember seeing that being like, that's so cool. I wish I was that age. Probably. Yeah.

24:55 Tanner Ugh.

25:03 Tanner Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm sure you could. There's something about like that like tin metal like what was that? It was just so cool. Like the little like embossing, just like Chef's kiss. But yeah. Yeah, yeah.

25:04 Eva you could get that on eBay today, I bet, right?

25:13 Eva Ugh the lead.

25:15 Pamala It's so perfect. if somebody is like, I don't like if let's say they don't really know anything about the Spice Girls or they've never really heard their music, where would you start them? Like how do they get into this rabbit hole of passion and obsession with you?

25:32 Tanner love that question. God, it's like you almost kind of wanna start them with wannabe because you're either going to go gross like run for the hills, or you're gonna be like, This is funny, like what? Zigga ziggah, what what is what? Like, you know. I yeah, like there's something here. And then like, yeah, immediately go into subsequent I mean, these girls, I mean

25:44 Eva Ha ha ha

25:44 Pamala Yeah.

25:47 Eva Yeah.

25:53 Eva I can get behind this. Yeah. Yeah.

26:01 Tanner The music was good. Like Say You'll Be There, To Become One. You know what I mean? Like they had they had they had hits. Like, so I think I think the music is definitely a way in, but I also think like in tandem with the music, it was their personalities that were just such the draw. Like they have two videos that came out during like the height of that Spice Mania. One is called One Hour of Girl Power. And there's another one that's called like

26:06 Eva The hits. Yeah.

26:24 Pamala Mm-hmm.

26:28 Tanner the girls talk or something, but like it's just them sitting down, shooting the shit, and like you're eating just every word. Like it is so unhinged and crazy. And it's just like these young women in this crazy, on this crazy roller coaster ride that they're on, just like talking shit. Like I don't know. It's like it's heaven to watch. I watch one of them like every Christmas time. I consider it like a Christmas video. I'm like, I just want to like kick back for 30 minutes, hear the girls talk. It's great.

26:30 Eva Yes.

26:36 Eva Loving it.

26:52 Pamala Gosh.

26:57 Eva I'm excited to watch that. That's gonna be good.

26:57 Pamala All right. We we have to get serious. We have to get really serious though. Is there you know, if they were to watch this, is there something that you'd like to say to them to camera that you would like in the future or that you wish for? What what what would you like to sell them?

26:59 Tanner Yeah, yeah. I'll send it to you. Okay.

27:15 Tanner Do another reunion show. A S A P The World's a Dark Place. We could use some light just for the sake of being light. Just you know, just light light the way a little bit with that with that spicy goodness.

27:21 Eva Yes.

27:28 Pamala Aww, I love that.

27:28 Eva Yeah, spice spice tour twenty twenty seven. That would be delicious.

27:35 Tanner Do it. I I mean I highly doubt Victoria Beckham wants anything to do with that anymore, but but I do think the other four are like well equipped to to put on another show. Yeah. Yeah.

27:38 Pamala Yeah, I was gonna say I was gonna say.

27:44 Eva Yeah. that would be good. Yeah.

27:45 Pamala I love that. I love that. Alright, well before we get into the end and we wrap this up, is there anything else that we want to cover? Anything else any other goods?

27:55 Eva Do you, Tanner, identify with any of the Spice Girls? Which which if you had to pick?

27:59 Pamala great question. Great question.

28:00 Tanner for

28:00 Tanner For sure, for sure. It's ginger all the way. It's always been ginger. Like, always been ginger. I don't know what it is. I think you know what it is? Like, there's something about her where she was always the one and she she knows this. I'm not talking shit, but she's the one with like a little bit less of the talent. She sh I shouldn't say that. She's she's kind of the brains behind that operation. Also, she wrote most of the melodies. Like it's well known that she was the one who came up with a lot of like the melodic structure for the songs.

28:06 Eva Okay. Always ginger.

28:22 Eva She's the brains.

28:28 Eva Yeah.

28:33 Pamala Mm-hmm.

28:33 Tanner she was she was heavy in the writing. So she's not I shouldn't say she's she doesn't have talent. She has mass talent. She wrote big songs. but a different type. She was less the performer, more like the operational behind. And I for some reason I r relate to that. I don't know why. I I also just like that she was kind of like just very in your face. Like I found it inspirational. I thought she was cool.

28:39 Eva Different. Different talent.

28:45 Pamala Mm-hmm.

28:56 Eva Yeah. I have so much more r reverence and respect for her now that I know that she was really the driver of of them just taking it all into their own hands and yeah, it's so right in her in her whatever it was, vehicle. Her little citron. Yeah.

28:59 Pamala Yeah.

29:07 Pamala Yeah, literally in her car.

29:07 Tanner Sh sh she she was she was the driver of a yeah. yeah until you know a thousandcc little you know golf cart. but yeah I mean and like along with that it's like I have an agency now with my partners, small small little shop, but like this is this is my most nerdy spice girl thing and this is gonna make me seem very unhinged, but like

29:19 Eva Yeah.

29:20 Pamala Yeah.

29:37 Tanner Our color palette, I have named them after our we have five colors, and I've named them after the five spices. Because I wanted to when we were like making this agency, and when I'm in the design trenches of what this is gonna be, I'm like, I want to imbue this with positivity. I like want this to feel like the beginning of something, like anything is possible. Those are five girls who used to be literal nobodies who

29:44 Pamala I love love.

29:45 Eva Yes.

29:58 Eva Yeah.

30:06 Tanner dominated the world for two years, like that's the energy I wanna bring to a project, especially something I care about. So so yeah, so they're they're also imbued in my in my work life.

30:13 Eva Yeah.

30:14 Pamala Okay. Yes. That's awesome.

30:17 Eva I love that, Tanner. And you're such a joyful designer in your life and and work that actually doesn't make you sound unhinged at all, I don't think. Suits

30:26 Tanner Okay. Well thank you.

30:28 Pamala I love it. but wait, Eva, which one do you relate to?

30:32 Eva I either I can I com I combo scary and sporty, I would say. Cause I feel like I I my vibe is more scary spice, but I'm also very I don't know. That's yeah, that's where I'd go. Pamala? Yeah. What do you think? Yeah. All right, then I'll be scary. You're sporty, I'm scary.

30:39 Tanner Yeah. Yeah, I see that.

30:49 Pamala Yeah. I'm probably sporty.

30:49 Tanner I love that.

30:53 Tanner Forty. Yep.

30:55 Pamala But I also had the same feeling that I was like, I'm sporty, but I'd love to be scary.

30:57 Tanner Okay, great.

31:01 Eva Yeah.

31:01 Tanner Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think I've got like I feel like a a little pinch of scary. Like I I admire what what Scary brings to the table. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

31:09 Eva Do we all have a pinch of scary spice in our hearts? I think that's the that's the takeaway. We've all got a little bit of scary spice in our hearts. I love it.

31:11 Pamala Hope so. I hope so.

31:11 Pamala my gosh.

31:11 Pamala Yeah. Ugh. well that's all for today's episode of You Know Too Much. Thank you so much to Tanner. Now we know way too much about the Spice Girls.

31:28 Tanner Thank you so much.

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31:49 Pamala Follow us wherever you get your podcast to keep the obsession going. Thanks so much, Tanner. That was incredible. Thank you. That was dope. That was great.

31:54 Eva Thank you, Tanner. You're the best. You're the best.

31:55 Tanner Thank you guys. So so much fun. You guys are the best.

32:03 Eva All right.